Cool. What about the other destroyers?

And why has the new ORE frig been given gas mining bonuses when it's intended as a stepping stone ship for newer players? Low SP characters won't be able to scan down ladar sites, so what's the point? Ugh. I thought CCP were getting rid of resource specialisation.

"we want this ship to replace current mining frigates as low barrier of entry vessel"

It does mention that they want it to have further use 'in hostile space', too, so it's not exclusively geared for lower SP players. However, with the removal of mercoxit and ice mining bonuses from barges in the last patch, this just seems counter-intuitive to the current philosophy of barge changes.

If you want risk-free mining, I'm sure WoW has plenty of wonderful pick-axes you can use so you can pick at those random mounds of dirt in the ground.

This is not WoW.

....not sure if srs or if this is just the way that miners think it is acceptable to PvP....

Just like with the mining barge and exhumer tank buffs, they now have a limited mean of defending themselves. Sure they still can't fend off any attacks on their own, but then again that's exactly how industrial boats should be. Looking at this fart sniffing frig you can say the same thing, a limited mean of defending themselves which is the gtfo ability. It still can't fend off the attack once caught, it still cannot survive being alphaed by a fast locking boat.

Then again, if you wish to catch one of them doing its thing, you're required to either probe the boat or the site it's on, which also gives it an additional form of defense in the advance warning of probes being on dscan. The ladar cloud itself also prevents stealthy approach as the huge size of it allows the puffer to be deep inside the cloud, thus not allowing anything to come near without it being decloaked by the cloud.

These things combined can make catching such boat incredibly hard, even with nice 3 point faction scrams on instalocking ships, so in a way I do see where Selinate's coming from with her complaint. On its own the 2 point warp strenght would be a complete non issue, but with the added defense of the natural enviroment of such boat.... It's maybe a bit too much.

I wasn't really complaining, I couldn't care less about ganking miners in high sec. All I care about is killing things in wormholes where you have to work for everything you do. And yes, I do puff gas here when there's nothing better to do. As for actual mining, it's not even worth it. We even let Arkonor rot in here because it's simply not worth the time or the effort to mine it, never mind hauling it out afterwards.

I have no sympathy for those so called high sec "PvP'rs" that just play station games or gank helpess targets then run at the first sign of actual combat. At the same time I also have zero sympathy for industrial players who refuse to pay attention to what goes around them.

You mean like how hard you miners have to try to sit there and mine roids/gas clouds?

It's not a glorious job, but it's no where near as dangerous as half you lot make it out to be.

Any chance the new dessie can be a rocket boat? There is room for one and I can see potential in that.